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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of private care merchandise. Remember to examine them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I take advantage of to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is a particularly precious device. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I might be. It’s referred to as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on cellphone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be countless methods of utilizing it. I’m under no circumstances an knowledgeable. So I’m right here with the methods knowledgeable, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system consultants, who loves the technological facet. She’s been doing totally different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic pondering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and how one can use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and she or he guides her shoppers by creating private {and professional} tasks inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this in the present day. And it is extremely a lot a visible factor. So we discuss by as a lot as we will simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at, that may take you to her website and to some extra visuals on how one can really implement this in addition to she could be keen to do a mixed course for mothers and households of how one can use this particularly for these associated matters. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful device however I’m under no circumstances an knowledgeable at utilizing it and I needed to herald Sandra in the present day to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you and study from you in the present day. One of many matters that’s at all times developing after I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been in all probability not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler is named Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I take advantage of it. And I additionally really feel like that is an incredible device that isn’t tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I feel it may be completely unbelievable. So, to begin with, I do know that you’re an knowledgeable on this, which is why I used to be so pleased to talk with you in the present day however stroll us by on a really broad degree what Notion is.

Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is sort of like a database. However I say that phrase, and generally folks run for the hills. So simply know that, once you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code software, which implies it’s very simple to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do every thing below the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many lovely issues about Notion is which you can cross-reference and sync information from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that implies that it’s very versatile in relation to designing your personal private dashboard that is sensible to you and the way in which you need to run your loved ones, run your life, run what you are promoting, and so forth.

Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I take advantage of it for enterprise and likewise for sort of family administration and simply preserving observe of every thing I have to do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term purpose monitoring. I observe one thing referred to as OKRs or aims and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I preserve all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a extremely good level, which is that there’s a studying curve in relation to Notion. And I feel anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive degree group, it could possibly appear overwhelming at first. Actually after I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be a bit bit caught so far as how one can create methods in it. And I ended up having to sort of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine how one can handle after which work from there versus simply attempting to begin creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they sort of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s start line simply to begin to study or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?

Sandra: Yeah, so one which I’d throw on the market for a brand new person is nearly the entire notebooks and post-it notes and shoe packing containers that you’ve round with numerous tidbits of knowledge, every thing from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, a minimum of that’s what I do, you understand, uber nerd over right here. However the entire little locations the place you might have items of knowledge that you just don’t wanna lose observe of and begin fascinated with these as elements of your life that you might carry collectively in a coherent complete. So in the event you may have kind of a one-stop store for simply getting the heart beat of issues, what would that seem like in a great world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a extremely good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I feel it’s value taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is healthier once you begin utilizing it as quickly as attainable, versus attempting to construct the proper system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see folks do lots is, like, leap in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable in the event you like taking part in round in these kinds of issues after which neglect that it’s meant to really make your life simpler and never kind of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that pleased medium between placing some thought into what you need it to seem like, what goal you need it to serve, what info do you want you might arrange higher or had higher observe of? So my company shoppers are normally level to love their Google Drive is a large number or their stuff buried in Slack.

However my, like, private shoppers give it some thought extra for, like, you understand, monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or possibly well being methods, or simply various things on the non-public facet, even hobbies. It’s an excellent place to trace info on hobbies. So, it’s sort of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which fascinated with how you’d wanna carry it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I really like that you just talked about the OKRs as a result of I observe these as nicely. I feel it’s an excellent place to have the ability to do that prime degree planning in addition to the low degree everyday job planning. I feel that’s one thing to consider is also, like, after I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve executed is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a each day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have kind of matter perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s sort of wanting on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, make it possible for in the event you fall down the plethora of knowledge on YouTube, about Notion is that you just go to Notion’s official channel and have a look at the movies. And I at all times counsel that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, after they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, software and templates. And there’s a lot of info and examples out on YouTube about alternative ways of approaching it and, like, totally different templates. However generally what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you just use to configure your system?

Katie: Bought it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo a bit bit of those sort of possibly get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which are largely universally relevant to folks listening. So, issues like all of us must eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, you understand, instruments like Actual Plans that I take advantage of to do that however I additionally preserve my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I totally agree. So, stroll us by sort of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I suppose not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?

Sandra: Yeah. So, when it comes to, like, meals and meal plans, particularly, one of many issues that I like to recommend to folks typically is to consider their teams of knowledge, kind of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve totally different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the prime after which have the directions and any kind of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a very separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Truly, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was taking part in round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m sort of tremendous excited to speak about it in the present day. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my each day journal or my kind of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this each day homepage that I’m going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. But it surely has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I consuming my water? Am I exercising? That great things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can really inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice totally different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t neglect. , it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining how one can arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a fairly image of the recipe to entice me, to begin dinner prep after I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night a bit smoother?”

In order that’s sort of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the totally different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even sort of zoom out or go to an much more larger degree, one of many issues I wish to level out for Notion customers is that once you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a manner that makes issues simpler? Tables may be fairly particular in it’s goal. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it offers you a bit extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, you understand, Notion, it’s onerous to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m positive you might converse to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s in contrast to some other house upkeep or, you understand, effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing house life, actually.

Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I take advantage of this in so many alternative methods as nicely. And like I stated, I don’t even assume I take advantage of it almost as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a each day homepage. And I really like this concept sort of like a management heart for every thing you’d put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us by sort of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you just carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to every thing else you observe?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I really like that you just requested that as a result of my each day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, every single day. And in reality, it’s so essential to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being in line with my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do examine ins at numerous level in the course of the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I wish to ask myself to only kind of, like, actually examine in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I need to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from kind of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s probably not what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in time out the sort of, we get into automated pilot, a greater manner of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a big manner of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I would like a few hours to go. So, my each day web page is the place I’ve my examine ins situated and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset checklist of questions which are in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, you understand, on December 14th, I used to be speaking about steadiness. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my each day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for kind of, like, the each day habits. And in that desk, I observe an entire slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take medication, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you might go down the laundry checklist of the issues that you just preserve observe of for your self.

And, you understand, that is multi functional desk however I show it in several sections. So, I don’t must assume by it unexpectedly on a regular basis. I get by what I’m a given second. And so, this each day web page, it really has, like, I feel 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning after I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply attempting to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a piece of it that’s like noon examine in and a piece of it that’s extra in direction of the top of the day. And in every of those areas, I take advantage of my behavior tracker and I show totally different fields. So totally different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I bear in mind to take…? , did I bear in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That sort of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve persistent sinus points so I observe all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, you understand, this has really been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply offers me all this wealthy details about what’s happening in my world from a everyday foundation. In order that’s sort of how I leap off from the each day web page.

Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all these items that I would like so as to add to mine. So, discuss a bit bit extra about templates as a result of I feel this is likely one of the big strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different folks have created. I haven’t gotten excellent at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my checklist as a result of plenty of the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a each day to do checklist or weekly planning for my group, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us by the benefits of templates and how one can sort of work out how one can use them.

Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few alternative ways and kind of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive degree model of a template is, like, you understand, you may construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to seem like, after which you may really share that complete setup with different folks. And so, once you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s really a technique to share it on the net. And once you first go into Notion, you may, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that complete setup into your setup. So after I work with shoppers privately, that’s typically what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, and so they’re rocking and rolling, and so they’ve bought the technical expertise down, which solely takes, you understand, an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s a bit little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, you understand, do that day in and time out. And that’s one technique to kind of streamline issues is to search out an individual that you just like Notion already, you understand, both through YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template which you can switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed nicely will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to sit down there and sort of figuring all of the format. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I wish to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle what you are promoting or your life. And in order that’s each factor and a foul factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion implies that you must have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be an important? After which, nevertheless it implies that we get to resolve all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was the easiest way to do one thing.

In order that’s templates at a excessive degree. However there’s additionally templates inside the system which are like for any given database, you may have a template that might prefill info. So, like, greatest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template particularly for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, after I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to ensure I ask. And so, after I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other manner can be possibly, like, you’re operating a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you just comply with for the podcast, in all probability on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these kind of checklists, if you’ll, might be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, you understand, content material calendar in your month or your quarter may open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to begin your move of knowledge. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually complicated with nested tables and ask associated info. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the person really wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you might use it to handle a group or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third sort of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a very totally different sort of function in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you’ll put something into it that you just wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it offers the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t try this. And you may sort of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you just do on a repeated foundation, however possibly aren’t so complicated, that it’s value placing them in their very own desk, then you may, you understand, use these template buttons simply to kind of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I stated, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that possibly you do each week or month or one thing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m pondering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life definitely. Does this…? Can notion combine immediately with different methods that individuals could be utilizing? As an example, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine immediately with any of these items or is it standalone?

Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the flexibility to embed plenty of apps. So what which means is Notion is principally entry by the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see a listing of choices. And as you begin typing, it sort of narrows all the way down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you may, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or a lot of different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is principally the decision that purposes use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent yr. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the top of subsequent yr, we’re gonna even have true integration with different purposes. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, at any time when I’ve had that, like, after I used to do it or a few of these different apps which are on the market to assist meet my life, I at all times discovered myself including extra to it than I may actually moderately course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of virtually, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m sort of grateful that Notion has been the standalone function as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping every thing in there after which probably not having the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you just wanna be capable of do.

Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other sort of unrelated factor that I take advantage of it for that I in all probability may work out how one can templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those that could be a brand new one, even for you as I take advantage of it to do one thing referred to as the Feynman approach. And I preserve what would principally be like a journal, however the place I kind of put all of my Feyman approach summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it a bit bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman approach is principally the concept that you might have discovered one thing when you might have the flexibility to obviously and concisely clarify it to a toddler. And by chance, I’ve a lot of kids to really follow this and clarify to every single day. However that is one thing I do at any time when I learn a brand new guide or watch a TED discuss or study a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing these items to an precise written type, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and bear in mind one thing from a guide or from an idea that I’ve discovered, it’s in a single place, and Notion offers me an excellent place to trace all of those. After which I may also, like, simply discover them to share them, if I have to with my group or no matter it might be. In order that’s a tip I really like to provide mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And in the event you’re not an enormous fan of writing, you need to use one other app referred to as Otter in your cellphone to talk into your cellphone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you may put it in Notion. In order that’s sort of like the way you stated you employ it as a journal. That’s kind of the way in which I kind of each day journal with it. And then you definately talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like targets, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some suggestions of higher ways in which I may be utilizing this to trace targets. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which preserve observe of targets inside Notion?

Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of targets, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I at all times discovered SMART targets to be a bit too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are likely to do the alternative. So SMART purpose by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply needed to insurgent towards it. However there’s one thing in regards to the OKR methodology the place once you make the aims, the kind of inspirational/aspirational issues that you just’re attempting to do in what you are promoting or your life, the impression that you just’re attempting to have, the main focus, and also you set these up first, out of the blue having key outcomes, that are basically SMART targets, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m capable of, you understand, harness that energy. And so the way in which my system is configured is I’ve aims and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am an enormous fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a guide referred to as “Begin Ending,” which in the event you haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely advocate it. It’s only a nice guide for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen dad and mom use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning how one can really end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the way in which I take advantage of the momentum planning methodology in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for tasks, which I consider as sort of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a extremely micro degree. I have to, you understand, replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I have to deal with. After which, to make it much more strong, I’ve yet another desk that I take advantage of, which I name areas, which is supposed to be kind of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any kind of part to my life that I wanna have an intentional follow round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.

And so it’s kind of like having a purpose, nevertheless it takes off, like I stated, that point stress, in order that it’s simply, you understand, periodically, I’m going in and I have a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can sort of… , a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, nevertheless it permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly evaluation. They seem on… A few of them are on the each day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I take advantage of after the each day web page on a everyday foundation. And so they’re referred to as the In the present day Web page and The This Week Web page. And people principally enable me to have, like I stated, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m attempting to create.

Katie: I really like that. I do know, like… I feel, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as nicely. I’ll put a few of my favourite assets associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I feel it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s typically utilized in enterprise, however I feel it’s really very related to folks as nicely, so far as planning long-term issues with our children, definitely for homeschooling dad and mom and having targets associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I stated, in my private life for private growth issues or new expertise I’m attempting to study and preserving observe of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.

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And a few different ways in which I take advantage of Notion, on the whole, are for preserving observe of issues like Christmas reward concepts or reward concepts, on the whole, for all my children. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have an inclination to say issues all year long. After which reasonably than having to think about them, simply at the moment of the yr, additionally issues like home updates and tasks issues I have to, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can also be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain observe of these items or how would you set that up?

Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be an entire, like, life working system. And I say that… And, you understand, I’m at all times very… I work with plenty of learners and plenty of proper mind kind of inventive thoughts map sort folks. And so I’ve a mushy spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system just isn’t at all times attractive to everyone. However on the similar time, it’s only a manner of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you might have, and placing the knowledge that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your children preserve observe of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after faculty occasions or one which I did lately that I sort of amused myself with is I arrange an entire desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s principally a gamified model of preserving observe of all of the issues that I don’t must do every single day however I have to do a number of occasions per week. And principally the way in which the desk works is I’ve a few formulation in-built in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as per week, I get a thumbs up and job. But when I vacuum twice per week, then it offers me a bonus. And of this outdated gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it really encourages me to do these items that I’d in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it could possibly wait till tomorrow.” After which you understand how that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I wish to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t at all times really feel like, oh, that is, like, yet another factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I really need to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with some other app. So, when it comes to, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I take advantage of or that I did at Notion this yr that was tremendous useful is we moved.

And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we have been in search of in a home and, like, our preferrred, you understand, options and what have been the necessities, folks stored observe of the dialog, the realtor and, like, the entire homes we visited, sort of like doing a professional con checklist on them. After which when it bought time for the transfer, I did an entire stock. So I numbered all of the packing containers. After which after I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I attempting to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be capable of after we moved, and it’s like, okay, we’d like no matter, the espresso grinder. I may really search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I believed I used to be over-engineering it and sort of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was nicely well worth the effort I put in to have the ability to observe down, you understand, no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s kind of, like, a sensible manner that you might use an app like this to make your life simpler.

Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about a bit bit, however I wanna ensure that we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and cellphone interfaces after which, after all, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, as an illustration, like among the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up after I’m on the retailer. I can work on these items after I’m at an appointment with the youngsters or ready on the youngsters in an exercise as a result of my cellphone is just about at all times with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that manner however then it’s simple additionally to work on a desktop once you’re organising a few of these larger tasks and larger issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re in all probability an influence person of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?

Sandra: It’s query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, you understand, I nonetheless preserve a paper journal after I’m on the cellphone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m displaying any person else how one can use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to put in writing some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I sort of undergo that checklist and make it possible for every thing’s in Notion the way in which I would like it to be and that, you understand, I can preserve observe of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a extremely fluid factor when it comes to, you understand, some days I’m in there, like, actually nearly all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion marketing consultant in order that is sensible. However even on days after I’m engaged on different issues or serving to any person with a web site or different enterprise methods, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I’d say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I really like that you just talked about the online, desktop, cellphone, and it really works on iPad rather well. In actual fact, they’ve made plenty of enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like nearly so many enhancements that I sort of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these totally different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… , the most recent replace for iOS really has this factor referred to as widgets, which if folks haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They principally put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your cellphone display. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it could possibly take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are each day, fast seize, and my in the present day web page plus a number of others. And I even have that widget proper on my cellphone in order that, you understand, if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is sensible actually simply and on the fly. So there’s a lot of, like, you understand, you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you might have a lot of choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.

Katie: Superior. And also you talked about to start with, this can be a troublesome factor to elucidate solely, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as nicely. However I do know that is one thing that you just do assist folks with and you’ve got a web site associated to. So, for individuals who need to perceive extra and who need to begin integrating this, I’ll make it possible for hyperlink is within the present notes however sort of stroll us by the way you assist folks with that and the assets you might have.

Sandra: Yeah, so for several types of shoppers are totally different. I actually would like to have a gaggle of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is ready up a bit discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s enthusiastic about that sort of factor, they’ll let me know after which we will determine it out within the new yr. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, you will discover Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So the easiest way to search out me is on sandrahalling com. And in the event you put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that may have some attention-grabbing info that’s, like, geared in direction of serving to households. And I really would like to have a workshop subsequent yr, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in a bit factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they’ll join and let me know. Predominant methods I work with folks proper now’s by enterprise teaching and methods assist. And so, generally folks are available and so they need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which generally what folks want is extra of, like, a sort of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months strategy to dig into the totally different methods they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a consumer join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their cellphone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is kind of like one piece of the puzzle for me, nevertheless it spine of the methods I arrange. So, once more, you will discover me on the net at or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.

Katie: Excellent. I’ll ensure that these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a guide or plenty of books which have had a dramatic impression in your life, and in that case what they’re and why?

Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that probably the most impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Carried out,” which is kind of a basic within the productiveness house. So, I discovered it most useful or most impactful within the sense that it taught me how one can group, and categorize, and course of info in a manner that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out after I was fairly younger in my profession, I feel I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what we’ve now, which is, you understand, database marketing consultant now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is sort of an excellent device now. I feel “Getting Issues Carried out” is kind of a basic, but additionally it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some components to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I feel “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing the entire totally different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot info comes at us and simply kind of managing the combination there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private degree have been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a special perspective on issues. And I like mixing these items. So it’s each my life holistically, offers me a want to wanna arrange it extra. In order that’s sort of how these two issues tie collectively for me.

Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll ensure that these are linked within the present notes as nicely. I’m so glad I bought to share extra about Notion in the present day as a result of like I stated, it’s a device that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I might be. And I’m excited to have discovered extra from you in the present day. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with lots of the folks listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks in your time in the present day and for all of the work you’re doing.

Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was plenty of enjoyable.

Katie: And thanks guys, as at all times for listening, for sharing your most useful useful resource, your time with each of us in the present day. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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